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09 03 13 - 07:58



If you look at porn stars, you can see the type of woman that Jack the Ripper would have carved up: a low-caste, low-intelligence, generally thoughtless and ugly person. There's not a single semi-attractive woman in the bunch.

Hookers are what they are. Forcing them through public education, encouraging them to memorize "intellectual" concepts, and giving them lots of money for doing it on camera cannot change what they are within, which is self-hating whores.

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SeveredEnd
This makes me cringe, Makeup sure does work wonders, but thats why they are porn stars, they would not get any otherwise SeveredEnd - 09-03-’13 10:52
Reality. You used to enjoy that.
They are all (physically) attractive, actually. They wouldn't be in the business otherwise. And as for whether they are hookers; in a sense they are. They have sex for money. But in the more narrow sense of taking money from the person who is actually having sex with them, most of them probably aren't hookers, although we don't know. But "hooker" and "whore" don't mean anything other than that, so "self-hating" is kind of irrelevant. Reality. You used to enjoy that. - 09-03-’13 15:03
SeveredEnd
They are attractive below the face, anyone can be in porn, they have porn for everyones fetishes, I have not even heard of all those porn actresses, there is alot of porn actresses, your mom is an undercover porn actresses SeveredEnd - 09-03-’13 19:00
JP
Come on man, some of them aren't even ugly. Plain, but not ugly. Besides, what would you have them do with themselves? Being an ugly, male, repressed sadist stupified by a psychotic devotion to insane ideology was never exactly an 'option' for them. And while I'll agree there is a point at which sadism IS morally preferable to masochism, this is nowhere near it. JP - 09-03-’13 21:08
Ruki is the original hessian
Breaking news: people look better with their hair and makeup done. Ruki is the original hessian - 10-03-’13 08:06
metrosexual
Three have natural beauty. The rest need layers upon layers of makeup to be decent looking. It seems that like culture and morals, liberals have no standards for the women they sleep with. Equality and the utilitarian lowest common denominator rear their ugly heads in cheap makeup, camera angles and lighting effects.

Yea, these girls had no options in life. Society forced them into prostitution. Their psychotic devotion to the religion of Progress led them to fulfilling lives. metrosexual - 10-03-’13 19:54
JP @ metrolsexual
You're an idiot, for one I am not a liberal and I can guarantee you I am far more selective than you or anyone else who visits this site. Additionally, most of these girls are not exactly well known, ergo I would say the poster/photographer picked uglier girls for effect. Not that there aren't obviously a lot of ugly girls in porn.

And what's with the strawmen? Oh right I forgot this site only permits the lowest common denominator of "communication", not actual debate with substantive arguments. Although I am curious precisely what other 'options' you think they had for any kind of career that pays well. I also somehow doubt that their decision to do porn had anything to do with some attachment to 'liberal' ideology or idea of 'social progress', idiot. JP @ metrolsexual - 10-03-’13 21:05
metrosexual
"It would be one thing if we were working to overcome the limitations/mistakes of nature.." (in another article)

Not a liberal? You had me fooled, as you speak of nature as something needing to be fixed because of its horrors and conflicts ANUS glorifies while "blocking progress of thought", whatever that means: IQ, wisdom, an open-mindedness to tolerance, equality and cultural relativity...? Nature doesn't require fixing as destruction/death/conflict are involved in the process of creation. Only liberals whimper at the thought of death and nature's "unfair" inequalities and inherent suffering, because they're the cogs in their sickly vision of utopia.

How do you know the girls aren't well known? I don't keep up with porn, but they're known well enough to have stage names, an "honor" that many people in porn probably don't have.

Speaking of strawmen: "stupified by a psychotic devotion to insane ideology" is neither a debate nor a substantive argument.

It's hard to believe you're not a liberal with your last points. If these girls have intelligence, they've wasted it in porn when they could've done something meaningful. Otherwise, they could have gone into other professions with lesser pay, which is not a bad thing. Everyone has their place; not everyone needs to be well-to-do or equal in socioeconomic status as liberals strive for. Porn is, or should be, the antithesis of cultural norms, which you say are relative, thus ok, when someone can be materially rewarded for indecent behavior.

They're attached to liberal ideology and social progress whether they know it or not, because social progress used in the postmodern context makes relative social norms. It's a domino effect, which increasingly caters to everyone despite the repugnance of their actions. metrosexual - 10-03-’13 22:27
you funny, anus
lol @ a 40+ year old virgin commenting on the attractiveness of women you funny, anus - 11-03-’13 04:05
Progress is imminent
Its just a matter of time until cloning and genetic manipulation phases out these chameleon-like, wasteful incubators. We will once again reproduce like bacteria, it is the past and future. Through genetic selection only the healthiest of male spawn will be left. Progress is imminent - 11-03-’13 09:05
talking about whores
Someone should photoshop David Vincent into that video. talking about whores - 11-03-’13 10:02
billy bob
If you attack porn or prostitutes you are playing into the feminists hands. Don't out that pussy on a pedestal, women aren't pure innocent angels. billy bob - 11-03-’13 10:04
JP @ metrosexual
"Not a liberal? You had me fooled..."

Hardly a difficult task, you manage to confuse yourself quite easily.

"you speak of nature as something needing to be fixed because of its horrors and conflicts ANUS glorifies..."

Yeah, funny thing about that, anus itself posted an article not that long ago about the existential/ethical implications of synthesized meat, and how it would result in food which no longer requires the destruction of consciousness (part of what I call the cannibalistic nature of life). OH SHIT, PROZAK IS SECRETLY LIBERAL!!!
I never stated suffering/conflict are separable from life, and believe to do so would render life insipid. They are entirely necessary for it's continued existence and I have long recognised war in it's most abstract form is inherent to life. The question I was raising was is there an excess of suffering/conflict which blocks positive potential/progress? Additionally, the only reason you and prolezak 'glorify the horror', is because you are too weak to envision anything but that which already exists, and because you are a sheltered little twat who has never been forced to suffer and thus feels a need to sound tough to compensate.

"Speaking of strawmen: "stupified by a psychotic devotion to insane ideology" is neither a debate nor a substantive argument."

No, that is an observation, and an accurate one at that. I have posted NUMEROUS legitimate counter-arguments here, you have seen me do this. The invariable responses were "fuck off faggot" and censorship of the arguments prolezak had no counter for. He does this inconsistently when someone presents some information or argument which contradicts his acquired ideology, something he likes to accuse others of doing, and behaviour which is universal amongst those with a psychotic devotion to insane ideology.

"It's hard to believe you're not a liberal with your last points."

Again, it is a universal trait amongst those dependent on ideology to ascribe any presented information contradictory to their belief system as coming from someone who holds it's perceived opposite. Several centuries earlier, you would be calling me a 'witch'.

"If these girls have intelligence, they've wasted it in porn when they could've done something meaningful."

Porn is a low time to high income profession, there are performers such as Sasha grey who then use the pay to pursue more creative pursuits.

"not everyone needs to be well-to-do or equal in socioeconomic status as liberals strive for."

...eh, strawman much? I don't know much about liberal ideology but I know that is socialism not liberalism. If liberal ideology is at all as the name implies, than an inherent tenet is the freedom to excel/rise through equal opportunity for wealth/power.

"Porn is, or should be, the antithesis of cultural norms, which you say are relative, thus ok, when someone can be materially rewarded for indecent behavior."

I don't recall saying 'cultural norms are relative', but guess what: they are, different cultures have different 'norms'. And from an objective perspective (even a subjective one), what two consenting adults do on camera is no more 'indecent' than say what pro-"conservative"/republican CEO's do to the environment every fucking day. You gonna take away their material rewards for raping the Earth too genius? I fucking doubt it.

"They're attached to liberal ideology and social progress whether they know it or not, because social progress used in the postmodern context makes relative social norms. It's a domino effect, which increasingly caters to everyone despite the repugnance of their actions."

Actually by maintaining the conservative ethos that the role of men is to hunt food (money) and the role of women to trade sex for food, they are socially regressive. Marriage is, after all a form of singular prostitution wherein a woman uses sex as currency for material sustenance and shelter. Btw, you speak about progress like it's invariably a bad thing. JP @ metrosexual - 11-03-’13 22:55
average straight guy sweaty from the gym wearing only a towel and giving you that look in the locker room
JP must have had a great childhood and wonderful loving parents. After all when his mother married his father it was a form of singular prostitution wherein JP's mother used sex as a currency for material sustenance and shelter. And then JP was born and I guess he had to do the same for his father otherwise there's no way you'd develop a worldview like his. average straight guy sweaty from the gym wearing only a towel and giving you that look in the locker room - 12-03-’13 07:22
metrosexual
“Yeah, funny thing about that, anus itself posted an article not that long ago about the existential/ethical implications of synthesized meat, and how it would result in food which no longer requires the destruction of consciousness (part of what I call the cannibalistic nature of life). OH SHIT, PROZAK IS SECRETLY LIBERAL!!!”

I didn’t read the article. Was he forcing vegetarianism down peoples’ throats, or was he suggesting this eating habit for some people, such as monks, who suppress their desires for the sake of self-discipline enlightenment? It doesn’t make sense for Prozak to suggest finding the beauty of a violent act in nature done out of a need to eat, after arguing that humans eating meat is unethical. Perhaps the way livestock is slaughtered for consumption in some instances is unnecessarily cruel.

“I never stated suffering/conflict are separable from life, and believe to do so would render life insipid. They are entirely necessary for it's continued existence and I have long recognised war in it's most abstract form is inherent to life. The question I was raising was is there an excess of suffering/conflict which blocks positive potential/progress?

It is obvious from the deep flaws of our universe, wherein destruction is invariably and exponentially an easier act to accomplish than creation or mere transformation, that the 'god' you worship is quite clearly inept, insane, or incalculably sadistic and only generates innocence to enact it's own passive sadism upon. Not unlike the author of this site.

Fuck your god, and fuck you.”

You sound like an angst-filled preteen who sees suffering in the world and concludes that God and the world are inherently evil, because there may too much of it (“deep flaws of nature”). Much of the suffering is caused by “passionate” people who prolong (exacerbate) the suffering of others by excusing their bad behavior and lavishing tolerance and resources on them. Answer my question I posed to you before: What is ”progression of mind”?

Is there an excess of suffering? Yes. People are responsible for most of their own suffering through their drama, inflated egos and ignorance.

“Additionally, the only reason you and prolezak 'glorify the horror', is because you are too weak to envision anything but that which already exists, and because you are a sheltered little twat who has never been forced to suffer and thus feels a need to sound tough to compensate.”

Glorifying the horrors of life is just a part of celebrating life in its entirety. Even Mother Theresa told the starving to embrace their pains. You’re creating a strawman by insisting we’re sadists and arm chair tough guys. I’ve never suffered, say, from physical torture or poverty, but I’ve had my own suffering – physical (type I diabetes), failures, and so on. I took a stand against sympathy and self-pity. Part of active nihilism is negating the idea of suffering = evil.



“No, that is an observation, and an accurate one at that.”

In your mind. Ad hominems are tools liberals use against someone who interrupts their groupthink.

“I have posted NUMEROUS legitimate counter-arguments here, you have seen me do this. The invariable responses were "fuck off faggot" and censorship of the arguments prolezak had no counter for. He does this inconsistently when someone presents some information or argument which contradicts his acquired ideology, something he likes to accuse others of doing, and behaviour which is universal amongst those with a psychotic devotion to insane ideology.”

I wouldn’t know, as I don’t have access to peoples’ profiles. This part of the site is mostly used by trolls who aren’t looking for debate. Deal with it.


"Again, it is a universal trait amongst those dependent on ideology to ascribe any presented information contradictory to their belief system as coming from someone who holds it's perceived opposite. Several centuries earlier, you would be calling me a 'witch'.
"
I think even you are capable of catching your own strawmen. I don’t have an ideology. I read the works of philosophers, the articles found here and a few other places and books on various subjects, reflect on them and count them as valuable or dismiss them. Ideologies are for liberals or other people too lazy to think through the information they come cross. I’m not putting words in your mouth or making a baseless accusation about you. I’m interpreting a pattern I’m seeing in your posts and asserting what seems accurate.


“Porn is a low time to high income profession, there are performers such as Sasha grey who then use the pay to pursue more creative pursuits.”

Can you not see this is as selfish behavior – sacrificing the good of the whole for one’s personal pursuits? Liberalism = individual over the whole. Do you now see why I’m accusing you of being a liberal?



“...eh, strawman much? I don't know much about liberal ideology but I know that is socialism not liberalism. If liberal ideology is at all as the name implies, than an inherent tenet is the freedom to excel/rise through equal opportunity for wealth/power.”

What you’re describing is classical liberalism, the grounds of the U.S. Constitution, a document I disagree with except for a few parts here and there. Socialism is on the flip side of classical liberalism. The underlying feature of both is the individual and her material gain is more important than society itself. The big honcho CEO who hires migrant workers for cheap sells out his nation just as the Marxist factory workers who throw out the bosses to work at their own leisure and gain without the necessary expert leadership to make the right decisions on expanding, investing, hiring and so on.



I don't recall saying 'cultural norms are relative',

You implied it.

“ but guess what: they are, different cultures have different 'norms'.”

Which is fine if each culture has their own space to practice their culture their way. Multiple cultures in the same space will come into conflict without exception. Then an annoying oversized bureaucracy has to step in and force “peace” between these groups resulting in lowest common denominator. Cultural norms are in constant flux, because no one can be allowed to be offended or held accountable for their actions.

“ And from an objective perspective (even a subjective one), what two consenting adults do on camera is no more 'indecent' than say what pro-"conservative"/republican CEO's do to the environment every fucking day. You gonna take away their material rewards for raping the Earth too genius? I fucking doubt it.”

Ha! Another strawman. They’re both destructive to their environments.



“Actually by maintaining the conservative ethos that the role of men is to hunt food (money) and the role of women to trade sex for food, they are socially regressive. Marriage is, after all a form of singular prostitution wherein a woman uses sex as currency for material sustenance and shelter.”

Marriage is meant to be centered on sincere love, a foundation for creating children and raising them with the virtues and traditions of your culture and a development to one’s life based on both a spouse’s and shared interests. That is a conservative marriage. It’s true that in the past marriage had more practical value, but that’s because of less prevalence of food and more external threats.

“Btw, you speak about progress like it's invariably a bad thing.”

Not a bad thing, just highly misguided. metrosexual - 12-03-’13 22:22
JP
@ 'averagestraightguy'

This is not the totality of my worldview, this is my understanding of the ideology anus/amerika espouses in relation to human social constructs.

@ metrosexual

He wasn't suggesting or recommending it to anyone, merely raising awareness of the technology. And some instances? In third world countries, where most of our meat is shipped to, slaughtered, then shipped back (this is how 'elites' run things, economically but not resource efficient) the animals are frequently mistreated by people with shitty jobs and shittier lives. Also ask any vet and they will tell you : when they get to 'that' room, they just instinctively know something's up. I've witnessed the awareness occuring in cows as they are taken into the clean steel room where they will be rendered unconscious then killed.

Again, you sound like an angst-filled preteen who has never been forced to suffer in his life and thus feels the need to compensate by dismissing suffering he has never in his sheltered life experienced to sound tough and edgy. Thanks for the confirmation btw. And guess what: the world is inherently evil, in that it's very mechanics favors 'evil' in the wasteful sense. If you believe in a god which is both omniscient/omnipotent or just satisfied with the way the universe is then you believe in a sadistic god. I don't see 'progression of mind' in my previous comments.

Tell me, by what objective measure do you make the claim people are invariably responsible for most of their own suffering? Certainly it's possible in your environment, however I would like to see you explain that shit to people befallen by natural disasters, war, famine or any other event clearly beyond any individual's control.

And by what objective measure do you claim we should 'celebrate life in it's entirety', meaning all aspects? Sounds suspiciously egalitarian to me. We should certainly seek to minimise the bad, and come to grips with the suffering/loss we cannot eliminate, I don't see how celebrating genocide is a worthwhile practice however.

Mother Theresa was a fraud, she admitted in private letters she believed none of what she claimed to. Christopher hitchens has already written more about her sadism/cult of suffering than I care to.

"In your mind. Ad hominems are tools liberals use against someone who interrupts their groupthink."

In your mind, I present contrary information and therefor am liberal. In my mind, people who block information by misappropriating ideological terms or other labels are stupified by a psychotic devotion to insane ideology. So do only liberals use strawmen/ad hominem when someone attempts to block their group-think? Pretty fucking ironic man, considering that's EXACTLY what I have experienced here, along with the 'censoring of contrary ideas' prozak likes to bitch about so much.

I somehow doubt you've failed to notice large numbers of replies simply being 'disappeared'. I also fail to see how the comments section being over-run by trolls warrants censorship: why then does Prozak only censor comments which poke wholes in his ideology/arguments, and not the hundreds of useless replies?

You just called me a liberal without any evidence or supporting reasoning, that instantly tells me you are deeply invested in conservative ideology. This 'pattern' you're 'interpreting', does it go: [information contradicts my conservative ideology: therefor liberal]?

"Can you not see this is as selfish behavior – sacrificing the good of the whole for one’s personal pursuits? Liberalism = individual over the whole. Do you now see why I’m accusing you of being a liberal? "

No I don't, given you have yet to provide any objective measure or even supporting reasoning as to how a person choosing to sacrifice anonymity to do porn is inherently bad 'for the whole'. Btw, studies show that porn is beneficial to 'the whole' by reducing sex crimes in populations exposed to it.

"The underlying feature of both is the individual and her material gain is more important than society itself."

No I'm pretty sure that's capitalism. Liberalism as I vaguely understand it just means having the freedom to do whatever you want up to the point you begin hurting someone else, a level of freedom which as far as I know exists nowhere on Earth.

Precisely where did I imply cultural 'norms' are relative? You clearly view everything I say through a filter of distortion and projections.

Cultural 'norms' are 'fine' provided you are in the group which benefits from them. I would hardly say that there is no conflict in places like the middle-east where in areas culture is entirely homogenised. Even on the personal level, there is much silent conflict between men and their wives, unless you believe their absolute lack of power in society somehow negates the conflict altogether. Btw why is this site pro-conflict when it involves physical violence, but totally against it in a social context? Also if people are not held accountable for their actions or allowed to offend others, then why does the justice system continue to exist and why are there entire media industries built around offending people?

As has been explicitly stated on amerika.org and implied on anus, women should not be allowed leadership or employment, This is typically an unspoken conservative opinion. Under this context, marriage becomes by practical necessity a singular form of prostitution to secure food for oneself, since being unable to work they are unable to provide for themselves. JP - 20-03-’13 09:46
JP
"...progression of thought": meaning moving past the unwillingness to coexist/cooperate due to circumstantial differences, and not condemning behaviour such as homosexuality when there is no valid objective reason for doing so. This really shouldn't be that fucking hard for you idiots to understand, given that ANUS so 'hates' morality: precisely what occurs in reality when one male sticks his cock into another's ass that causes you or society harm? Nothing. JP - 22-03-’13 16:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk-zc_An1JA
The double standards in porn are hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk-zc_An1JA - 23-03-’13 08:32


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