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Nihilism, Futurist Traditionalism and Conservationism

My war

25 03 12 - 10:29


Western civilization needs a complete overhaul or it will fall apart one day or another. It has realized the most complete perversion of any rational order of things. Reign of matter, of gold, of machine, of number, it no longer possesses breath, or liberty, or light. -- Julius Evola, Heathen Imperialism


This quotation is closest to my belief. The rot comes from within, specifically the surplus of people with ignoble motivations. That is the problem to be fixed, and while it's harder than eliminating certain targets (USA, bankers, Jews, Scientologists, hackers, neo-Nazis, etc) it's the only thing that will actually reverse the problem.

Specifically, the surplus of people with ignoble motivations arises from doubt about the direction of a civilization. This usually occurs when enough of the population get fat and lazy by easy wealth or easy mental answers. That is the root of decay: no longer being concerned about extra-human reality or satisfying goals. When doubt arises, people turn on civilization, making the surplus which then band together into a self-reinforcing social in-group united in the idea of being opposed to the mainstream order.

The only solution is to restore reverence for values, transcendental notions of existence (origin of supernatural probability) and through that to create a heroic state of mind that transcends the individual.

And sodomy.

60 comments

Hello
What the fuck are you talking about. Hello - 25-03-’12 16:19
I do have reverence for values, specifically the value of fucking with you.
"The only solution is to restore reverence for values,"

So it's not important to first decide, agree on, and support an idea of just what the correct values are in the first place? Just restore reverence for values, nevermind whether it's the correct values? Great idea.

Not to mention the irony of a self-proclaim nihilist arguing the importance of values in the first place. I do have reverence for values, specifically the value of fucking with you. - 25-03-’12 17:10
JP
"The rot comes from within, specifically the surplus of people with ignoble motivations."

You mean like yourself, who censors anyone who pokes holes through the perverted/corrupted 'nihilism' you use to facilitate your little fan club?

"That is the problem to be fixed, and while it's harder than eliminating certain target"

You mean like blaming all the world's problems on 'liberalz!!!11one!', despite the inherent complexity of reality saying otherwise?

"Specifically, the surplus of people with ignoble motivations arises from doubt about the direction of a civilization. This usually occurs when enough of the population get fat and lazy by easy wealth or easy mental answers. (blame liberalz!!!11!) That is the root of decay: no longer being concerned about extra-human reality or satisfying goals. (Contrary to comrad PROLEzak's misguided beliefs, it's actually self-proclaimed 'conservatives' who disrespect science/nihilism the most, indulging in fantasies of anthropomorphised sky wizards.) When doubt arises, people turn on civilization, making the surplus which then band together into a self-reinforcing social in-group united in the idea of being opposed to the mainstream order."

Anus in a nutshell. Who needs to fix problems when we can just blame the 'liberalz', while arbitrarily declaring humanity utterly incapable of overcoming purely circumstancial differences and self-governance? JP - 25-03-’12 17:44
JP
"easy mental answers" was also meant to be in bold. JP - 25-03-’12 17:45
Stanley
We might want to start with values that are known to work instead of tolerating experiments that have shown very poor results. Stanley - 25-03-’12 19:04
Not to mention presupposing that we're all consequentialists.
Known to work to do what? That presupposes that we all agree what the goals are, or that it has been proven what the correct goals should be; and the rants on this site alone prove that that's not the case. Otherwise, those values might indeed be known to work... to produce exactly the wrong result.

And if we agreed on the goals, then at least in consequentialist terms, the question of what the correct values are would be moot. But we don't, so it's not. Not to mention presupposing that we're all consequentialists. - 25-03-’12 20:55
Captain Obvious
I'm against everything you just said, and here is why.

A counter argument offering why I am against everything you just said that I picked up on Wikipedia or Reddit, repackaged with an Atlas Shrugged meets Oprah Winfrey outburst of emotion. Even though nobody asked what I thought in the first place.

Followed by a witty, snide comment about how lame ANUS is, hypocritically referring to how it never made difference or doesn't fix problems and personally attacking an unknown entity. Wait. I am choking on a Cheetoh. Captain Obvious (Email ) - 25-03-’12 23:18
Trayvon Martin
ANUS says we need "reverence for values"; well, we do: we revere human rights, egalitarianism, social democracy, feminism, sexual libertinism, pacifism, etc. etc. ANUS is really quite incoherent, they have no binding core values—"reverence for values" and "transcending the individual" are as vague and abstract as "freedom" and "liberty".

As much as ANUS decries utopionism (and rightly so), they are just as guilty. Look at all the things ANUS imagines in their own utopia: transcendental idealism, Romanticism, naturalism, "greenism", heavy metal, etc. But what are the mechanisms for maintaining this kind of society? And how exactly would ANUS prevent the course of decline that happened to all other societies that have existed before? Trayvon Martin - 26-03-’12 13:21
Dude Jr.
@JP: thank you for clarifying that "easy mental answers" was also meant to be in bold. when I read your first comment I had no idea what you were talking about. then I read your next comment that indicated that "easy mental answers" was also meant to be in bold, so I went back and read your original comment again, this time imagining that "easy mental answers" was in bold, and the comment made perfect sense! thank you once again. Dude Jr. - 26-03-’12 17:25
Be careful you don't accidentally start to believe in something.
@"Trayvon", that may have been meant to be a parody, but except for "sexual libertinism" being a value, it sounds reasonable to me.

As for the ANUS idea of utopia, they've said at times that should be eternal struggle and war, and that it is "meta-good" to have both (regular) good and evil fighting it out all the time.

If that's the case, I'm not sure what problem they have with society as it is now. We have plenty of war, lots of figthing between good and evil, and the ANUS people certainly have a struggle on their hands trying to get anyone to agree with them.

So it sounds like we've already arrived at their idea of utopia. Be careful you don't accidentally start to believe in something. - 26-03-’12 17:44
Osi
"Known to work to do what? That presupposes that we all agree what the goals are, or that it has been proven what the correct goals should be; " No, it does not, it only means to right people to decide what's right or wrong will do so and then, representing a greater wisdom, careless and not at all concerning the "individual sanctity of life", would chase away the ones that had, by then, refused to comply. And yet, there is no moral imperative for this to happen; we might as well nuclear blast each other into oblivion, right? How is this not nihilism? You call this nihilism corrupted, and yet your "version" of it is only useful in condoning your own limited, careless, stupid subjective "reality". Go die. Osi - 26-03-’12 19:58
Osi
the right people* Osi (Email ) - 26-03-’12 19:59
I don't think I will.
"No, it does not, it only means the right people to decide what’s right or wrong will do so"

The idea that you can identify these people, again, presupposes that you already know what the correct goals are.

"And yet, there is no moral imperative for this to happen; we might as well nuclear blast each other into oblivion, right?"

Are you saying that the goal is for the species to continue? That sounds reasonable; most people, experts and laymen alike, would agree that it is *a* goal, but is it the only goal? There are probably many value systems that would all result in sustaining the human species indefinitely; you need other criteria to choose between them.

"not at all concerning the “individual sanctity of life”"

For example, this. How do you know that a valuable goal does not include respecting the individual sanctity of life?

"How is this not nihilism? You call this nihilism corrupted"

There are different forms of nihilism; all it interently means is that something that most people think exists, doesn't.

But the most common use is that that "thing" is objectively determined values, goals, or purpose. So, that's why.

This site seems to only deny that certain *particular* things that most people think are values, aren't, such as liberty and the sanctity of life, but other things are, such as the preservation of the human species and order. That is a *selective* type of nihilism, and that's why it's correct to call it corrupt.

"your “version” of it is only useful in condoning your own limited, careless, stupid subjective “reality”"

My version of nihilism, which is the standard one, is not useful at all. It's not meant to be; that's why "nihilist" is usually used as an insult for a philosophical theory. I don't think I will. - 26-03-’12 20:22
pethany
As always I'm inspired, and excellent quote from Julius Evola. pethany - 26-03-’12 22:53
Cannibal LOLocaust
Don't any of you faggots know that arguing on the internet is pointless? Go outside. If you are right, your lives will turn out better than others'.

Seriously, why are any of you people here if you disagree with this guy? Cannibal LOLocaust - 27-03-’12 11:36
Natufian
"It is not enough that I succeed, others must fail."
- Napoleon Bonaparte

Also, the counterargument is to warn others of the stupidity of this site and not get sucked into it, and to deprogram the other drones. Natufian - 27-03-’12 13:18
Osi
"Nihilism" only denies inherent meaning to anything, it does not imply not striving for anything (fatalism). Decisions can still be made, even with a greater degree of liberty and with a clearer mind (because you know there is no moral imperative to do anything, the endpoint justifies the means to itself). It does not reject being efficient, only you do. Yes, the preservation of the human species is not a prerequisite, thus we decide to make it one. Or we can decide not to, thus go die. Look at nature itself: is there an inherent purpose for any living creature to live? No. Does any of the plethora of species living on this planet wish to be eaten and not eat? Nihilism is NOT fatalism. Osi (Email ) - 27-03-’12 13:50
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His pride is totally meaningless
If you cheat and live like an animal like a dog
This represents some kind of sensationalism
Bad copy, walking contradiction

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Farce nationalist 2x Dedicated to dumbass Brett Stevens - 27-03-’12 17:48
Not that I think they're incompatible, though.
"“Nihilism” only denies inherent meaning to anything, it does not imply not striving for anything (fatalism)."

Correct. You can strive for anything you want. But you have no objective basis by which to choose what you will strive for and what you won't. How are you going to choose, flip a coin?

"Decisions can still be made, even with a greater degree of liberty and with a clearer mind (because you know there is no moral imperative to do anything, the endpoint justifies the means to itself)."

Liberty, yes. Clearer mind, no, because the nihilist clear mind gives no way to know what endpoints are desirable in the first place, and hence no way to choose which endpoint to strive for. So the choice of how to get there becomes moot. And don't forget, for the nihilist, "justifies" has no meaning.

"It does not reject being efficient, only you do."

It doesn't endorse it either. That would mean that efficiency had inherent value, which by definition the nihilist denies.

"Yes, the preservation of the human species is not a prerequisite, thus we decide to make it one."

Ok, so we can choose our own goals, our own purposes, arbitrarily? Fine. Then I, as a fellow nihilist, will choose another goal, going along with preservation of the species, that human dignity, freedom, and individual rights must be preserved. I can strive to preserve both, while being just as much of a nihilist as you.

What that means is that none of the ridicule that this site dishes out, and that's most of what the site does, has any logical basis. The people it ridicules just choose (and again, the choice is arbitrary) different goals than they themselves, and nihilism, which the site endorses, absolutely allows that.

"Or we can decide not to, thus go die."

So if someone doesn't choose preservation of the species as their highest priority, that individual should die? Doesn't make sense. Perhaps that individual's priority is the preservation of himself, but doesn't care about the rest of humanity. Or perhaps it's the preservation of his own generation.

"Look at nature itself: is there an inherent purpose for any living creature to live? No. Does any of the plethora of species living on this planet wish to be eaten and not eat?"

Interesting point. Yes, every creature strives to eat and not be eaten (though "wish" probably doesn't apply to all of them). But many do not act on a collective basis. Many species are quite individualistic; each individual is only interested in its own survival. Others are more collective, with some individuals sacrificing themselves for the sake of the colony, like social insects. But still, it is rarely species-wide; such sacrifice is for the sake of close relatives.

But none of that has anything to do with how humans choose their goals. As you said, there is no moral imperative to choose to regard preservation of the species as more important than other goals, such as preserving human dignity or liberty. Not that I think they're incompatible, though. - 28-03-’12 12:04
Osi
Then nihilism itself is just a gateway to something greater than itself. And I did not order you to die, I simply stated that nihilism does not necessarily imply fatalism; What keeps you from dying, if you believe in nothing, not even in the survival of your own species? When there is no struggle needed in order to survive, we only start caring about ourselves. Moral imperatives aside, nihilism only rejects INHERENT meaning. Life is not certain, death is. However this does not mean we should succumb to entropy. OR IT DOES. The "right" people to lead others are naturally selected from idealists. No higher power and no writing on the wall will. But if they do not get the power, the "nihilism" (Nietzsche's definition of it) you are talking about (not sure if you actually advocate it or not) takes hold of people and in centuries, decay ensues. I did not say it is inherently better to live in a healthy and normal community than in a third-world shithole, but I choose to fight to the death for it. Not because of some divine or moral "right" I have, not because "God" grants me the will to do so (although, metaphorically, I can still name that idealism "God"). You are actually trying to prove that the nihilism you are talking about implies being totally detached and not strive for anything, which is actually a good point. But this site does NOT advocate fatalism.
If individuals only care about themselves it is because they strive to preserve their genes, thus contributing to one's own species (animals don't consciously know it, of course, but this is the endpoint of it eventually). If you value individual liberty over the well-being of the whole (the whole system, like not cutting down forests for toilet paper because it means eventually having to live in a polluted shithole of a planet,not collectivist shit like redistribution of wealth in human society), it is better for you to die arguing for your right to have "dignity" and a clean ass. Osi - 28-03-’12 12:38
Osi
"It doesn’t endorse it either. That would mean that efficiency had inherent value, which by definition the nihilist denies."

No, he does not, he only perceives the world with greater clarity of mind and is able to have non-dogmatic convictions. For example, "Abortion is wrong" or "Abortion definitely is a woman's right for her well being" are both ludicrous statements, for the nihilist. What are the consequences? If abortion is made legal and mandatory for everyone in any cases, the moral behind it (women's rights) becomes more important than the consequences (an easy way out of irresponsible behavior like sleeping around). If abortion is a sin and considered wrong in every aspect, then humans will overpopulate, broken, diseased, ugly and stupid people will be born even if they are an inferior version of human. If you find something offensive with this, then your delusion, which is that all humans have a right (don't know how you came to that conclusion) to live and are equally valuable. Nihilism makes a mockery of such delusions, because there is no easy, simple way out in most of life (other than, let's say, shooting yourself, which would mean nothing more than your absence). Osi - 28-03-’12 12:54
Osi
your delusion gets the best of you* Osi - 28-03-’12 12:55
As I said before, I believe you can do both.
Ok, that was a much more reasonable response, so thank you. A few points:

"What keeps you from dying, if you believe in nothing, not even in the survival of your own species?"

Well, I am not a nihilist; I don't think any person of normal intelligence and sanity can be, for the reasons you mentioned. I was just pointing out what consequences there would be of true nihilism.

"You are actually trying to prove that the nihilism you are talking about implies being totally detached and not strive for anything, which is actually a good point. But this site does NOT advocate fatalism. "

Well that's where the terminology issue comes in. No, the site doesn't advocate fatalism, nor does it advocate real nihilism. It advocates consequentialist morality. I wish it would just admit that.

"If individuals only care about themselves it is because they strive to preserve their genes,"

Well, as you say below, not consciously. Until a hundred years ago or so, no one even knew what a gene was, yet most people wanted to preserve themselves, and for some people, only themselves. So their psychological motivation for such preservation is obviously something other than genes.

"If you value individual liberty over the well-being of the whole...it is better for you to die arguing for your right to have “dignity” and a clean ass."

Only if you accept your initial premise, that preservation of the species is of value, and is of more value than the preservation of any particular person. Like I said, not an unreasonable premise, but if you accept it, you're not a nihilist. As I said before, I believe you can do both. - 28-03-’12 12:59
I don't know how you came to your conclusion either.
Your second-to-latest post proves my point even more that you are a consequentialist, not a nihilist. Again, not a criticism, except of the fact that you keep calling it nihilism. I don't know how you came to your conclusion either. - 28-03-’12 13:02
JP
Who is that guy who keeps acting out his latent homosexual tendencies with posts in ALLCAPS, is it Vijay or just one of his drones? JP - 28-03-’12 20:14
@OSI
Abortion is not an 'easy' way out, due to a mother being deeply biologically and psychologically connected to their child, which is why suicide rates are much higher amongst woman who have had abortions. Only a sociopath or person with an otherwise high propensity for denial/repression would see abortion as an 'easy way out'. @OSI - 28-03-’12 20:26
Franny
Whatever you opinion, legalized abortion resulted in lower crime rates during the Clinton years. This is because criminals are usually children who grow up in adverse family conditions, and most mothers who would otherwise get abortions are poor, resent the child, etc.

I find it extremely illogical that ANUS of all organisations is ANTI-abortion, given that, you know, they find most human life to be of very little value, at least little enough value to justify a culling ala the teachings of Master Linkola. Franny - 29-03-’12 00:39
Brett Morons
I'm a nihilist, but I hate ANUS. We only assign values to things through the choices we make. That isn't an excuse to make choices that we would tend to call "inhumane" or "illiberal".

ANUS is just full of retards. The 'N' should just stand for nationalism or whatever philosophy they use nihilism to justify. Brett Morons - 29-03-’12 06:38
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Although I'm sure it's taken by now.
If they really need to retain that edgy title, why not the Consequentialist Underground National Tribe? Although I'm sure it's taken by now. - 29-03-’12 17:54
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"I’m loling, really, really hard at the fact that your stupid little classical board didn’t make it. Just like I said when it appeared.

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