God and nothingness / Is Christianity OK?
08 10 11 - 12:59
From the blaze of confusion:
For the purposes of this discussion, and in agreement with almost all religions, God is a being not restricted by the laws that govern matter and energy in the physical universe. In other words, God exists outside matter and energy. In most religions, this Being acts with purpose and will, sometimes violating existing physical laws (i.e., performing miracles), and has additional qualities such as intelligence, compassion and omniscience.
Tucking these axioms under our belt, we can say that science and God are compatible as long as the latter is content to stand on the sidelines once the universe has begun. A God that intervenes after the cosmic pendulum has been set into motion, violating the physical laws, would clearly upend the Central Doctrine of science. - Salon
It took him one paragraph to confuse himself.
If God is an order outside space/time/matter, his intervention would never be known -- it would seem logical, but instead, you would be seeing the end result of a logical that pre-existed the material forms of interaction. For this reason, the above proof is at best dodgy.
What do we think about God around here? Dunno. Seems weird to make it a human persona, or a dualistic notion. I can only handle aduality.
And Christianity? It's unfortunate that Christianity has historically empowered so many liberal events. However, there's a precursor to liberalism, and it arises independently from Christianity. For this reason, I recommend taking Christianity back to its pagan/animist roots to discover its true meaning. Avoid the mainstreamed version of Christianity -- they McDonaldsized it a thousand years ago to make the proles support it.
The fact is that Crowdism can infest any doctrine, so you cannot beat it with doctrine. You can only beat it by recognizing its mentality and designing a culture that avoids it.
It also helps to periodically line up all your proles and send them off on a truly hopeless military task. They breed much faster than the smarter humans, so kill 'em off. That's not very humanist; unfortunately, it's also good practical advice.
What would Jesus think of all of this? I don't know. I'm not sure Jesus is the part of Christianity I can relate to. What I can relate to is the reverence and belief in an order beyond the visible, and this is shared among all religions. Since Christianity brings joy to many, I see it as a foregone conclusion -- like all other ideas, it should be adopted, nurtured, and slowly modified to be a better version of what it always could have been.
seventeen comments
Haunted by the waves of the devil
To be drowned in a dream
and saved by a nightmare Himinbjorg - 08-10-’11 15:15
So, what you could relate to is Judaism. I don't know if you've checked lately, but by definition, Jesus is part of any time of Christianity.
He is occasionally slightly deemphasized, as in Mormonism, but there's no type of Christianity, actual or hypothetical, which doesn't have Jesus as an important part. Still an atheist - 08-10-’11 16:05
Thats what happened in the middle ages. Original Christianity (the 200 years folowing the death of Jesus) and modern non-demonatinal protestantism have way more in common than the high catholicism of St. Thomas Aquinas. Modern and traditional christianity have their roots in liberalism and sympathy for the weak. Much like today, in Rome Christianity spread among the down-and-out and the unintelligent. In the middle ages, on the other hand, all of the best minds interpreted and molded Christianity into a genuine tradition, in the strongest sense of that word. The reformtion killed that, and protestantism is only growing.
The chance of bringing back scholastic Christianity or turning modern Christiantiy into a stabilizing social force seems impossible.
Another good Nietzsche quote: "The good men in all ages are those who dig old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is exploited, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again." Christianity had its day of good men. It was the middle ages that modern men look back on and call the "dark ages," becasue thay are incapable of seeing how pathetic modernity really is. Tht type of Christianity is not coming back. Brian - 09-10-’11 09:58
Something to back this claim, please? As far as I remember, Christianity a thousand years ago (e.g. Medieval Christianity) was (and would be until the Reformation in the 16th century) a thriving religion as explained by the above poster. medievalchristendom - 10-10-’11 15:24
Thank you and have a good night. hipster, hessian morbidity - 11-10-’11 06:26
pandering? okay - 11-10-’11 07:30
I do not bring peace but a sword!
I have come to set fire to the earth (oh how I wish it were already kindled!)
Now if you'll excuse me, I have a baptism to attend! Alpha and Omega - 12-10-’11 11:18