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At what point are we adults?

15 06 11 - 08:22

From the bleating terrified herd:

Sales of suicide kits, like the do-it-yourself asphyxiation hood used by a man to kill himself late last year, could soon be outlawed in the state of Oregon.


The newly passed Oregon bill was sparked by notoriety surrounding an elderly California woman who sells self-asphyxiation kits through a mail-order business, and the December suicide of one of her customers from Eugene, Oregon, 29-year-old Nicholas Klonoski.

Sharlotte Hydorn, 91, a retired science teacher and great-grandmother who lives near San Diego, says her product is intended to help people with incurable, fatal illnesses end their lives with dignity in their own homes.

The kits, which sell for $60 including shipping, consist of a plastic hood that closes around the neck and tubing that connects the hood to a tank of helium or other inert gas the patients supply themselves.

Critics, including Klonoski's brother, have faulted Hydorn for not screening potential buyers of her kits, which they say she peddles indiscriminately to customers who may be emotionally fragile, rather than terminally ill. - People Who Can't Code News

OK, let me ask this:

At what point are we adults?

I understand banning destructive substances. Meth should be illegal, and I don't want Sarin for sale at the grocery store.

However, we need to be able to buy guns, rat poison, knives, and chemicals for our lab kits. We need plastic bags.

At some point, we're going to have to be trusted as adults.

You trust us to vote, even though most of this population is mentally incompetent; you'll let us join the army.

You won't let us kill ourselves or terminate our own children. What? Why?

Human life is sacred, true, and death is scary. The best way to deal with that is to honor human life by clearing out the failed dead-wood, and to make death something we talk about honestly, when we do talk about it, which should not be constantly in bleating neurotic tones.

Instead, we've put the proles -- the food service workers, barristas, clerks, web designers and bureaucrats of the world -- in charge of this decision. Are you kidding?

We have seven billion, soon to be 12 billion, people on this earth -- and very few of them are over 115 IQ points, nice and decent people, with any kind of practical intelligence. We are worrying about the death of m

Let her sell the suicide kits.

Suicide sucks when someone good kills themselves; however, there is only one way to fix that: Our society is a nuthouse with the nuts in charge. If you want to stop unnecessary suicides, fix society. Then give more attention to the interesting but edgy cases.

But that takes real work, and real risk, while banning "suicide kits" is just great publicity for free.

Besides, a determined person will just find the alt.suicide.holiday methods file or read any of the books on the subject.


Very few people are over 115 because the measure is defined that way. 100 is set as the average, and 15 as the standard deviation.

So, no matter how intelligent the species was as a whole, there would be "very few" people over 115. durrr (Email ) - 15-06-’11 09:09
herp derp
If you killed enough people you could make 115 IQ the average IQ.

durrr herp derp - 15-06-’11 14:27
You're fucking dumb.
Only until the next time you gave the test. You're fucking dumb. (Email ) - 15-06-’11 15:20
How good is an IQ test at measuring intelligence? I've heard a decent amount of dispute over it, but I feel there's a pretty strong motive for bias in the form of "I have a average-low IQ, so I'll try and invalidate the test" Derpo - 15-06-’11 16:52
herp derp
WTF it wouldn't go back to 100 again, and if it go back to 100 to be average then it would still be 15 points higher than it was before. Either way the intelligence of the human race went up 15 points, and either way the intelligence of human race was increased which is the aim. You must be quick-tempered to call me fucking dumb, are you insecure your IQ is under 115? It's not that big of accomplishment considering it's the average IQ of a college graduate..or a hooknose herp derp - 15-06-’11 17:05
herp derp, the average of the population is what becomes 100, so even if you made the average 115 by the previous scale, 115 would become 100 on the new scale.

It's really not that difficult of a concept, so I wouldn't be flinging around accusations of a low IQ if I were you. Derpo - 15-06-’11 17:09
herp derp
What I mean is, if the average is 115 IQ you think that then that's impossible because people will say that the average is now 100 IQ and somehow this means IQ didn't increase, and so intelligence didn't go up. But this is retarded for anyone with even basic math and semantic skills. It's just a change in definition and doesn't imply intelligence didn't increase. I can't explain it any easier than that ultimately. herp derp - 15-06-’11 17:13
<span class='registered'>derpo</span>
Oh I understand that intelligence increases, but because of how the IQ score works the actual number of people above 115 does not.

I think we both get it, I think you just failed to communicate what you meant at first. derpo - 15-06-’11 17:16
other mock-retarded noise
The point is, there's no basis for getting upset about the scarcity of above-115 IQ people in the first place, because the scale was designed expressly so that that's what would happen.

That's what above-115 *means*: higher than average intelligence, where by definition/laws of statistics, most people are close to average. other mock-retarded noise (Email ) - 15-06-’11 18:34
ya allah
yo fools forgot the main post and u discussing about iq.............what about suicide ya allah - 16-06-’11 01:51
herp derp
personally don't care about suicide, less humans around at least and most people who commit suicide have lower IQs. win-win situation. herp derp - 16-06-’11 08:16
Diversity Fails

You both have it wrong.

(1) The IQ standard is established using a reference population. It then stays constant until updated.

(2) And this one's obvious -- you wouldn't update the standard in the middle of a corrective action. You'd use the pre-action calibration.

This isn't rocket science. Diversity Fails (Email ) - 16-06-’11 15:05
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