Participation

18 06 11 - 10:47

A followup to the much-hated Half a mind...

When people say they detest elitism, it's easy to show them that this is not the case.


Slocrates: Tell me, Thrashmyasscus, why do you think elitism is wrong?

Thrashmyasscus: Clearly, it prioritizes some people above others.

Slocrates: But were you not opining that Justin Bieber sucked cock earlier?

Thrashmyasscus: Yes, but that's Bieber. His music is beyond bad.

Slocrates: Ah! So we agree that some music is good, and some music is bad.

Thrashmyasscus: Yes, but --

Slocrates: And so we also fuckin' agree that it's just a matter of degree between hating Bieber because he's a useless talentless faggot, and hating "Radikult" because it's a moronic Marilyn Manson ripoff fifteen years too late?

Thrashmyasscus: Of course. Both of those are worthless.

Slocrates: So then it is only a matter of degree when I say that Necrophagist, Cannibal Corpse, Cradle of Filth, Pantera, Meshuggah and Craft are douchebag low-IQ trailer-dwelling shit, and that Demigod's Slumber of Sullen Eyes is a work beyond compare?

Thrashmyasscus: That's not the point. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Slocrates: Fine, then. What about if I say that black metal from 1990-1994 produced many great bands, but that since 1994, black metal has produced very few?

Thrashmyasscus: Then I'd say you are being judgmental.

Slocrates: And yet when we pointed out that Cannibal Corpse was whale dreck, and Bieber was shit, and yet praised Demigod, you did not mind?

Thrashmyasscus: Slocrates, these are night and day differences. You're splitting hairs.

Slocrates: To someone who disliked all metal, the differences might not appear so great.

Thrashmyasscus: Well, that's true, but the point is that elitists are too discerning.

Slocrates: In your view, elitists are not wrong because they choose good music over bad, but because they raise the bar too much?

Thrashmyasscus: That's not what I mean at all, -- but I take your point. Music is subjective, Slocrates. You can't judge it.

Slocrates: It seems we are having a different debate. If music is subjective, why are any bands at all popular?

Thrashmyasscus: It's purely random.

Slocrates: And yet both of us agree that Justin Bieber is a cock-horfing turd of a musician. How do we know this?

Thrashmyasscus: The simplistic songs... the moronic lyrics... his wailing voice... I must rape...

Slocrates: As you say, it's then a matter of degree. Much as from a distance a man and a dog appear closer in height, from a distance "Radikult" and "Chapel of Ghouls" appear closer in quality. Then what you think is wrong with the elitist is that he is too close to the music at hand.

Thrashmyasscus: Fuck you!


They have no idea why they detest elitism. At first, it just seems unfair; next, the standards are too high; finally, they accuse you of being an elitist so you sound cool to the kids at school. They will probably do this while holding an Opeth or Obscura record, which they will just have finished beating about the heads of their friend group, telling them how enlightened and musically proficient it is in contrast to whatever crap those morons are listening to.

I have a different supposition: they hate elitism because it says participation alone is not enough.

The participation alone people want to believe that all music is basically the same, and if you learn to play guitar and make some songs, then record them, you're part of the club.

Elitists say "not so fast" and demand instead that you do all of the above, and also make quality music.

For an elitist, the focus is on the music; it's on the end results. Who cares about the rest?

The problem with this of course is that it means participation is not enough. One has to get good. That requires that one have certain innate talents, and apply oneself.

Naturally, this isn't popular with the Crowd. They'd rather hear that you can get out there with a guitar, record whatever sloppy and incoherent crap runs through your mind, and then be part of the club. Everyone else then owes it to you to support you, because you tried. Everyone is equal on the level of participation.

What irks such people is that to history, and any sane observers, participation is nothing. Achievement is all. And not all can achieve, and this upsets them to learn, because they came to metal to get away from the achievement-requiring standards of (life|school|social groups above 105 average IQ|the Dayton-Hudson Corporation employee handbook).

Metal is their escape, and you're ruining it for them.

But if you don't, they'll ruin your metal by inundating the scene with low quality music.

When that happens, no one will find the good stuff, and good musicians will go elsewhere. Why work hard to make good music so a bunch of participation-is-everything fans can blow it off?

Participation is nothing; the end result is all.

If you were playing basketball, you wouldn't want a guy on your team who thought "trying" to get the ball in the hoop was enough. No; you want the guy who gets it in there.

When someone fixes your roof, you don't want some guy who "tries" to do it right. You want someone who succeeds.

Music is no different, and it's a secret hidden in plain sight that this is true, because there are so many participants (who have nothing else in life but a job making sandwiches, a dingy apartment and a string of failed relationships) who want to force us all to believe that participation is equal to achievement.

It sounds like they have a mental health problem, doesn't it?

70 comments

LOL YAY GO ANGRY CONSERVATIONIST

ANUS/DLA is great
but… COCKS are even much better option.

LOL YAY GO ANGRY CONSERVATIONIST - 18-06-’11 10:56
hahahahahahahahahaha

>elitism
>metal
>death metal, for fucks sake

LOL!

hahahahahahahahahaha - 18-06-’11 10:58
Adrian

What shocks me about cannibal corpse is that they have not collaborated with rapper Necro or Ill Bill, something tells me they eventually will…fucking sellouts….

LONG LIVE DEICIDE!!!!!!!!!

Adrian - 18-06-’11 11:02
Korn should be murdered...

I plan on getting some incantation in the future…

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Korn should be murdered... - 18-06-’11 11:06
morbid moans from the Saudi desert

“A followup to the MU[N]CH-HATED Half a mind…”
LOL LOL LOL
These 40 y.o. Texas virgins are sooo fuckin’ pretentious they even seem to live in another paralel reality back in 16th century (where black cocks served them as -45 IQ slaves and HELL THERE’S NOT EVEN AN OPETH ALBUM, ONLY CLASSICAL) :)

morbid moans from the Saudi desert - 18-06-’11 11:08
THIS IS NOW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i072ui6A9Co

Every anus faggot should stop whatever he’s listening to and listen to this. Get the fuck out there and do something with your shitty lives, faggots.

THIS IS NOW - 18-06-’11 11:48
sucks cocks or teh win

1990-1994: Burzum sucks cocks, Emperor is passable, Enslaved is passable, Gorgoroth sucks cocks, Bathory sucks cocks (1990-1994), Darkthrone sucks cocks except on TH which is decent, Beherit is passable, Ildjarn is passable, Graveland sucks cocks, Havohej sucks cocks, Immortal sucks cocks except on PH which pushes being passable, Mayhem is teh win, Mutiilation sucks cocks, Profanatica sucks cocks, Rotting Christ sucks cocks, everything else sucks cocks and eats dicks.

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sucks cocks or teh win - 18-06-’11 12:21
Redneck From Hell

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Redneck From Hell (Email ) - 18-06-’11 12:34
@sucks cocks or teh win

Nobody cares about your aspie taste and unfunny chan-speak.

@sucks cocks or teh win - 18-06-’11 12:38
lel;;lke;lke

This is why anus shouldn’t try their hand at humor.
LOLL, JUSTIN BEIEBER!!!! I NO OF HIM!!!!!

lel;;lke;lke - 18-06-’11 12:38
lulzsex

Blogging is crowdist behavior that doesn’t point toward any grander, anti-individualist goals like contributing to civilization. In short I find your posts very liberal and open-minded like a flute in a death metal album.

lulzsex - 18-06-’11 12:48
the artistic equivalent of death metal

Behold!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OdbCLfXUV4

the artistic equivalent of death metal - 18-06-’11 12:50
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@@sucks cocks or teh win - 18-06-’11 12:59
Joe COCKer, the prototype of mainstream hipster crowdist drama baby boomers idol

Why MACABRE ETERNAL is not reviewed here on DLA?

COCKS!! TWO BIG OR 3 OR 4 SMALL.

Joe COCKer, the prototype of mainstream hipster crowdist drama baby boomers idol - 18-06-’11 13:17
COCKrates

and his method of flute teasing of young thirsty-for-knowledge butts.

Stupid, stupid poisoned asshole. And Nietzsche the Poopy who showed to the world what a FREAK Cockrates really had been was an asshole too.

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COCKrates - 18-06-’11 13:26
Levy_Spearmen

I hope elitists don’t actually expect (pronoun/noun) to learn the instruments. That takes too long.

Levy_Spearmen - 18-06-’11 13:43
Levy_Spearmen

“It sounds like they have a mental health problem, doesn’t it?”

It is called STUPID!

Levy_Spearmen - 18-06-’11 13:45
passive-agressive crowdist gapist

Arystocratic elites don’t blabber about elitism, they LIVE it. It’s the real middle class UNDERMEN with no other power except running a pretentious quazi-hipster “elitist” death metal (lol) site/blog who wish to be of noble descent but cannot – simply because their ancestors were redneck invading the sands in Texas. So why so MUCH useless DRAMA then?? Death metal will always remain a subculture among the likes. And Prozak/Kontinual/Stevens/Harris/Whoeverthefuckhereallyisidontcare is just another loser equipped with a keyboard and “big” words (big words = small cock).
No matter how many more childish blogs and profiles he (she? haha) creates, he’ll remain the loser he’s always been.

Stupid, stupid dramatic anti-dramatic asshole. Vikernes makes fun of you. Die.

passive-agressive crowdist gapist - 18-06-’11 13:54
passive-agressive crowdist gapist in Gaddafi's tent

disregard that; i dream of being RAPED by elitists with big tits while listening to HELL AWAITS

passive-agressive crowdist gapist in Gaddafi's tent - 18-06-’11 13:56
Internatio

Yes, great, reaching an aim is better than failing at it, any kid knows that. If elitism is just that, fine, I’m elitist.
Now, tell me what’s worth putting my talents and dertemination to ?

You complain about bands losing it after 1-3 albums, but basically, upholding courage, determination, a general interest in History and not looking away from the dark part of reality is a bit short. That’s just enough for 1-3 albums of youthfull exploration. To keep on, you need to have something to say, to not only praise the tools of your life (courage, vir, etc) but to find something to do with them.
Elitism alone leads to selfishness which implies selling-out.

Internatio - 18-06-’11 14:04
passive-agressive crowdist with gaping asshole

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViEH57xQu1c

Every anus faggot should stop whatever he’s listening to and listen to this. Get the fuck out there and do something with your shitty lives, faggots.

passive-agressive crowdist with gaping asshole (Email ) - 18-06-’11 14:57
passive-agressive crowdist with gaping asshole

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passive-agressive crowdist with gaping asshole - 18-06-’11 15:08
Real manly music for real men. Stop being faggots and grow up and listen to this for the rest of your life and BE A MAN!

Real men listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjfq0Fr85Yg

Real manly music for real men. Stop being faggots and grow up and listen to this for the rest of your life and BE A MAN! - 18-06-’11 15:20
Metal Inquisitor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lBENxer3MI

Repent, faggots! I’m coming back from the dead to hunt you down!

Metal Inquisitor - 18-06-’11 15:29
SUPERIOR BEING

ALL PEOPLE THAT POST IN THIS COMMENT SECTION ARE INFERIOR TO ME! NUFF SAID.

SUPERIOR BEING - 18-06-’11 15:34
Levy_Spearmen

As I’ve said before, fuck homosexuals. If any of you guys are gay, kill yourselves now.

Levy_Spearmen - 18-06-’11 15:35
adult

Varathron, hahahahaha oh god that link was such faggotry. Here’s some real music, queers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oovnXGLnGNI

adult - 18-06-’11 15:44
WAAAAAAAAAAAA I HATE BEING SHY!

YESTERDAY I FAILED THE COOLEST JOB INTERVIEW EVER

WAAAAAAAAAAAA I HATE BEING SHY! - 18-06-’11 16:49
HELP MEEE ANIS!!!

ANIS, HOW CAN I BE MORE OUTGOING AND CONFIDENT???

HELP MEEE ANIS!!! - 18-06-’11 17:07
Levy_Spearmen

Just ask yourselves, “Why bother?” and buy a shotgun to eviscerate a crowd of school children.

Levy_Spearmen - 18-06-’11 17:26
CRUELY_MEANMEN

WHY U SO RUDE LEVY??

CRUELY_MEANMEN - 18-06-’11 17:27
Levy_Spearmen

ANUS HAS GIVEN ADVICE! BEGONE!

Levy_Spearmen - 18-06-’11 17:35
24/7 elite metal listener

I don’t want to be more outgoing, because no one deserves my attention and time.

24/7 elite metal listener - 18-06-’11 17:50
Levy_Spearmen

That works too.

Levy_Spearmen - 18-06-’11 18:55
Kontinual

heh i was under the impression that nobody was worthy of my time until an older gentleman engaged in conversation with me after noticing i was reading The Republic at my place of work. Totally blew my mind when he summarized the failing of democracy with the “majority are idiots, and allowed to vote..” thing, as i have never met anyone in the physical world who shares that sentiment.

Then he molestered me

Kontinual - 18-06-’11 20:24
Levy_Spearmen

What do you expect? Lots of people go to this site.

Levy_Spearmen - 18-06-’11 21:25
Just no.

“Lots of people go to this site.”

Hahahahahaahahahahahaha!

No.

Just no. - 18-06-’11 23:48
Lots of people go to this site. Most of them are fags.

You do.

Lots of people go to this site. Most of them are fags. - 19-06-’11 01:34
Kontinual

I’m pretty sure people who have read the Republic don’t necessarily have to know about this site. Just because your world revolves around this place..

Kontinual - 19-06-’11 07:40
Kontinual

SERIOUSLY METAL BROTHER!! WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE BAND KAMPFAR? THEIRE EARLY RELEASES OF COURSE!?

Kontinual - 19-06-’11 08:17
Raocow

Hey there everybody, it’s cat planet!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdtehRUfzWc

Raocow - 19-06-’11 08:27
Levy_Spearmen

I didn’t know Kontinual was such a flaming 3nglishman. He can’t even appreciate the popularity of his site. Look out the window, mahng, their’s a legion out they’re.

Levy_Spearmen - 19-06-’11 08:27
Cum Dumpster

I only cum to this site to get anally probed by Levy_Spearmen!

Cum Dumpster - 19-06-’11 09:42
Surprised Kitty!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bmhjf0rKe8

Surprised Kitty! - 19-06-’11 10:17
ICP - Miracles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-agl0pOQfs

ICP - Miracles - 19-06-’11 10:18
Better than Morbid Angel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6og3t52364

Better than Morbid Angel - 19-06-’11 10:22
Better than Morbid Angel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8lK5zdXySc

Better than Morbid Angel - 19-06-’11 11:07
Better than Morbid Angel, Marilyn Manson and Linkin Park combined

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGvp55M5f90

Better than Morbid Angel, Marilyn Manson and Linkin Park combined - 19-06-’11 12:17
nigga check it, this is how it's done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKGYMKZS_50

nigga check it, this is how it's done - 19-06-’11 12:26
Better by you, better than me(an ode to the anus)

YOU CAN SAY WHAT I ONLY CAN SEE,
BETTER BY YOU BETTER THEN ME

Better by you, better than me(an ode to the anus) - 19-06-’11 14:08
NightoftheDemon

I agree with the article. Mental defectives and conformists like to eat cheese burgers and fries and are too stupid to make immortal metal music that prozak would approve. That’s why I eat healthy and only listen to the bands listed on this website; the best metal website in the world!

NightoftheDemon - 19-06-’11 17:02
Aquila

^ lol

“Thrashmyasscus: The simplistic songs… the moronic lyrics… his wailing voice… “

You mean death metal?

Aquila - 19-06-’11 17:46
Redneck

@ Aquila
No asshole, he means your fucking mother being raped by drunken truck drivers while she moans like a nasty bitch in heat!!

Redneck - 19-06-’11 19:52
White_Power_Rebel

I used to work as a janitor in an office. Then one day the boss told me he had no work for me anymore because of the crisis. But when I came back a few days later to bring back my uniform I saw some nigger had gotten my job! I always suspected my boss of being jewish! This country needs a race war! 18/88!!

White_Power_Rebel - 19-06-’11 20:08
Antifascist metalhead with an IQ of 90 has good reason to believe he is being oppressed by elites

HAY FUK U GUYS METAL IS METAL EITHER U LIKE THE BANDS SOUND OR U DO NOT

Antifascist metalhead with an IQ of 90 has good reason to believe he is being oppressed by elites - 19-06-’11 21:02
a 26 year old listener

I’m listening to Death’s Symbolic, and it’s one of the best death metal albums ever. Why no review?

a 26 year old listener - 19-06-’11 22:00
IQ 130

And on that note, why doesn’t anus have anything on one of the most recognized and compositionally skillful bands in death metal, Nile? Even their early albums continue to amaze, this shit blows Therion and Morbid Anus out of the water.

IQ 130 - 19-06-’11 22:10
If your IQ is 130, mine is 140

LOL MAYBE LATER THERION AND LATER MORBID ANGEL

If your IQ is 130, mine is 140 - 19-06-’11 22:40
IQ 180: The superiorest

I can only tolerate Beethoven and Bach.

IQ 180: The superiorest - 19-06-’11 22:53
>130 IQ is what I meant

Nope, early Therion and certainly all Morbid Anus.

Just listen to fucking Pestilence and Iniquity or Howling of the Djinn. Those great riffs coming at ya.

>130 IQ is what I meant - 19-06-’11 23:23
anusisgay

LOL @ blatant strawman argument

anusisgay - 20-06-’11 00:14
Most high IQ people have shitty taste in music, most low IQ people have shitty taste in music, *gosh* most people have shitty taste in music! Just because you have the capacity to do better doesn't automatically mean you are doing better. Nile is tard music that pretends to be intellectual. It's called

Hello, my IQ is 150. I like Lady Gaga and techno music. Is this win?

Most high IQ people have shitty taste in music, most low IQ people have shitty taste in music, *gosh* most people have shitty taste in music! Just because you have the capacity to do better doesn't automatically mean you are doing better. Nile is tard music that pretends to be intellectual. It's called "a gimmick" kid. - 20-06-’11 02:20
Carg (156 trololol, do I win?)

This is

HUH

WAR

Time to kill some grebos :)

Carg (156 trololol, do I win?) - 20-06-’11 03:44
Rome has conquered!

lol Tardgest everyone knows you’re a fucking mong, also your taste in music sucks ass and I find your “I’m looking for music that can be perfectly described as power/folk metal but instead I’m going to post on a board where everyone will only name shitty black metal” threads absolutely hilarious in their pitifulness.

Nile doesn’t pretend to be intellectual, they just make fucking good music. A gimmick would be dressing up in capes and posing with rapiers like the faggot pimpernel about to get stabbed in the butt.

Rome has conquered! - 20-06-’11 06:12
Fuck you depressed faggots and your shitty negative music, this is good music for kicking ass to!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WccfbPQNMbg

Fuck you depressed faggots and your shitty negative music, this is good music for kicking ass to! - 20-06-’11 06:36
Beholding the Daughters of the Hurrdurrmament

Fans of Nile also listen to Gojira, Mastodon, Meshuggah, Lamb of God, Cavalera Conspiracy etc. so FUCK OFF to Nile.
Back to FUNEBRE, CADAVER, NIHILIST, MASTER, MASSACRE, OBITUARY, INFESTER, DISEMBOWELMENT, WINTER, HELLHAMMER etc.

SLOWLY WE GAG

Beholding the Daughters of the Hurrdurrmament - 20-06-’11 06:37
Music of the intellectual aristocratic elite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvmlMcrCXtA

Music of the intellectual aristocratic elite - 20-06-’11 09:44
Is the ANUS going to end up like Corrupt.org??

ANUS blog posts are getting shittier, and so are the comments! People are chimpin’ out on the forum about ANUS admin sucking Hunter Hunt Hendrix’s dick and pimping out their friend’s bands!

Is the ANUS going to end up like Corrupt.org?? - 20-06-’11 10:15
Mikael Asskerplunkfeldtgoodthefirst time

NILE is neanderthal music. Here, have a complex chord change instead. Be intelligent; get into your inner manwoman.

Mikael Asskerplunkfeldtgoodthefirst time (Email ) - 20-06-’11 10:43
Misanthropy

When did Craft become plebe fodder?

Misanthropy - 16-06-’12 20:13


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