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PostPosted: Jan Sat 29, 2005 3:26 pm    Post subject: Great quotation Reply with quote

I was reading Blair's Lectures on Rhetoric and Belles Lettres for my Post-Enlightenment Rhetoric class and came across this quotation. It reminded me greatly of discussions about the anus.com forum and other, similar sites:

"A crowd of unmeaning words is brought together by some authors, who, afraid of expressing themselves afer a common and ordinary manner, and allured by an apperance of splendour, surround every thing which they mean to say with a certain copious loquacity." -- Quintilian

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PostPosted: Jan Sat 29, 2005 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Great quotation Reply with quote

I like it. I'm assuming the irony's intentional.
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PostPosted: Jan Sat 29, 2005 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, since the quotation is from one of the two most famous Roman orators and the generally accepted style is long since changed, no. But yes, it is a bit ironic, isn't it, when rendered in our modern speaking and writing style?

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PostPosted: Jan Sat 29, 2005 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That also seems to apply to about 90% of all phD theses being written on this planet, which say a lot but discover very little.
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PostPosted: Jan Sat 29, 2005 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly the reviews are a little dense, but I think it's less a case of deliberately opaque writing and more a case of a stream of consciouness approach to reviews. He writes out his encounters with music, rather than reviewing albums in the traditional sense. The essays on the site are in a pretty accessible style, whether one agrees with them or not.
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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Stretch, does your quote happen to come from Robert Walser?

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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

anybody who uses the phrase "populist touches" to simply state an album is more commercial than their past ones is clearly in love with excess.

Prozak is the epitome of pathetic. How many trolls, other than Matthias Palm, live in their role as a troll on the net for YEARS? For fuck's sake, I know some nimrod will say "ah, but he's got ya, people talk about him and they take his bait on the newsgroups", but they really DON'T anymore. A lot of his posts go unanswered nowadays. the only time he gets brought up here is when someone types lengthy posts with excessive verbiage Smile
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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget Prozak's short lived time here trying to rip off people on this forum with his trade list....

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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satan Stole My Teddybear wrote:
Don't forget Prozak's short lived time here trying to rip off people on this forum with his trade list....

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I've traded with him on 7 or 8 different occasions and had no problems at all.
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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laeth MacLaurie wrote:
Satan Stole My Teddybear wrote:
Don't forget Prozak's short lived time here trying to rip off people on this forum with his trade list....

John


I've traded with him on 7 or 8 different occasions and had no problems at all.


Well, he wasn't so cool when he tried posting his sale list here. He denied one person a deal because he didn't agree with the buyer's opinions on something and then did a bait n switch on another person, which is actually illegal. Since he wasn't willing to treat people on my forum fairly and honestly, he was banned.

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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laeth MacLaurie wrote:
Satan Stole My Teddybear wrote:
Don't forget Prozak's short lived time here trying to rip off people on this forum with his trade list....

John


I've traded with him on 7 or 8 different occasions and had no problems at all.


So? I've never had an issue with Paypal when I've used it, but that doesn't mean that they haven't fucked over several thousands of other people.

Besides, a ripoff has to make good on some of his trades or else he'll never be a successful ripoff.
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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got back from the North American Debate Championships at Cornell, and that quote easily applies to the majority of speeches given. Don't get me wrong, I love debate, but it's pure sophistry. It's all about using a lot of words and a lot of oomph to convince the judge that a few relatively simple, controversial ideas are unquestionable truths.
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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evermind wrote:
That also seems to apply to about 90% of all phD theses being written on this planet, which say a lot but discover very little.


That's one thing that's crossed my mind more than once as I dive deeper into research. Where I sit in the computer lab, there's a poster that's hanging above my computer that was done by my research advisor and her post-doc partner about the temperature difference between current day South America and the temperatures during the Last Glacial Maximum. All I have to wonder is... who gives a fuck and how does this help anyone? My friend Christina, who is also working with my research advisor (and who happens to be the one who took my spot here... maybe I'm better off not going here, though -- story for another post!), is doing research that compares moisture over Africa from today and from the "African Humid Period" almost 6000 years ago. Again, who gives a fuck and how does this help anyone?

Hopefully, if I get into grad school, my research topics aren't stupid and fund-wasting.
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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the results don't help much, but the knowledge and skills acquired during the preparation of the thesis are vital to the new doctor in his/her later career. It's not just about the destination, it's about the journey, grasshopper.

You guys are, like, totally negative.
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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Q wrote:
Hey Stretch, does your quote happen to come from Robert Walser?


No, it's from a collection entitled The Rhetoric of Blair, Campbell, and Whately, edited by Golden and Corbett. The quotation is by the Roman orator Quintilian (35-95 CE) and repeated in Hugh Blair's Lecture X, Style--Perspecuity and Precision, which was originally composed in 1762 or shortly thereafter and officially published in 1783.

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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evermind wrote:
That also seems to apply to about 90% of all phD theses being written on this planet, which say a lot but discover very little.


ignorant fuck -> Laughing <- Me, PhD and anyone who cares to join in
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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get the feeling that the reply count on this thread is going to skyrocket.
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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rogthefrog wrote:
Maybe the results don't help much, but the knowledge and skills acquired during the preparation of the thesis are vital to the new doctor in his/her later career. It's not just about the destination, it's about the journey, grasshopper.


Oh, I know, Rog. My summer job was statistics-based, and I learned a good deal through programming in python, data manipulation, stat stats stats, etc., and I really enjoy this modeling stuff, but I suppose I need to know that my information will be of use to someone in the future. No, sorry -- to be more correct, I'd like to help the present. I suppose that's part of the reason why I'm so interested in hurricanes -- it affects lots and lots of people. I still maintain my indignation towards studying meteorological effects of thousands of years ago that have virtually no bearing on today's climate. To give a concrete comparison, studying the difference as studying warming patterns and the rate of change of the level of noxious fumes in the atmosphere would hold more water with me than studying the temperature of the air two meters above the surface in Africa 6000 years ago.

FYI, Dr. Cook, my research advisor, is like 60 years old!
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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kinda feel the same way that Charles Darwin, good empiricist, did: "Doing what little one can to increase the general stock of knowledge is as respectable an object of life, as one can in any likelihood pursue."
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PostPosted: Jan Sun 30, 2005 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should have applyed for a job with DW&P instead of going to college :sigh:
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